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Trump's Wall
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 25 2017, 07:52 PM (2,652 Views)
+ Emmeth	Jan 25 2017, 07:52 PM Post #1
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	So it has come to it. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38740717 5 days after taking office, Donald Trump signs the action to build the wall on the mexican border and he still insists Mexico is gonna pay for it. First of all, I think building the wall is the right move though a bit extreme. Having Mexico pay for it however is a sign of extreme elitism, which indicates Trump think USA is the greatest country and no other country is above or equal. Mexico will never agree to this unless Donald Trump has some sort of ace up his sleeve, a loophole of sorts. At least something I'm not aware of. Anyway, what do you guys think? Will the wall be built? Will Mexico pay for it? Discuss.
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+ Pelador	Jan 25 2017, 07:55 PM Post #2
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Building a wall will change nothing. Illegal immigrants are there because they visit and then don't go home. They aren't all sneaking across the border like the soviets did during the cold war. Wh by the way had a much more impregnable wall to get past and they still managed to sneak though. But try telling all this to that block head Donald Trump.
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Tinny	Jan 25 2017, 08:00 PM Post #3
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	All the wall will accomplish in the long run is wasting tax payer money, it's outright impossible for him to finish it even if he gets two presidential terms to do it, it's even more impossible to get Mexico to pay for something they have no desire for, and like Pelador said, most illegal immigrants are allowed in and often don't leave, the drug smuggling is also done often done the same way, they don't sneak through like they're Solid Snake, they just walk through the legal check points.
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+ Emmeth	Jan 25 2017, 08:03 PM Post #4
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I think the wall will, ironically, be Trump's downfall.
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DanielSan	Jan 25 2017, 08:04 PM Post #5
Posts: 1,536 Group: Donator Member #5,730 Joined: February 14, 2011	I think he is going to "get them to pay for it" by retracting all those trade deals, and by making high tariffs on them. Lots of people in my family are really excited for this for some reason. That was the only reason they voted for Trump actually. Trump is probably going to be one of the most active Presidents in US history. All I have to say is that it is what it is.



* Mitas	Jan 25 2017, 08:05 PM Post #6
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	I mean, if he wants the wall built, it'll be built. I just don't see how he can force Mexico to pay for it, unless it's indirectly through some sort of financial loophole. Is it a good idea? I have no idea, although I'm sure there are other ways to deal with the situation that wouldn't rankle as many people.
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+ Emmeth	Jan 25 2017, 08:08 PM Post #7
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	DanielSan Jan 25 2017, 08:04 PM I think he is going to "get them to pay for it" by retracting all those trade deals, and by making high tariffs on them. Is that even legal? He can upset a lot of people if he does that. And I don't mean just the mexicans. Edited by Emmeth, Jan 25 2017, 08:09 PM.
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EMIYA	Jan 25 2017, 08:13 PM Post #8
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I can't wait for the famous quote of... "President Trump...tear down this wall. Seriously man, are you a f***ing idiot or something?" This is going to do nothing and it sure as hell isn't going to help relationships between the USA and Mexcio. You know what you want to do here? Create good relationships, work out actual points of trying to fix the immigration problem instead of just making a wall and blocking them out. People who who come into the United States illegally do so because they don't have options and feel that they are limited in their approach. They come in, hoping for a better life only to find themselves in a position that's really not much better than they were before. Mexico's one of the USA's freaking allies for crying out loud. Do you really want to go up to one of your closest neighbors, talk about making a wall (while you have also insulted them in the past too) and act like they're going to pay for it? Quote: "They are not our friend, believe me," he said, before disparaging Mexican immigrants: "They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." - The dumbass running our country. It's like...global warming is causing days to get hotter and hotter, what can we do? Trump: Let's build a giant dome over the country and we'll have Japan pay for it! Or I don't know, help decrease fume emits across the country and working on a more naturally safe form of resources.



* Mitas	Jan 25 2017, 08:13 PM Post #9
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	So I googled it and came across this article. It says that it can be achieved by increasing tax on imports, with the extra income coming from penalties paid by Mexico, based on previous import figures, being enough to fund the wall (if I understood it correctly).
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DanielSan	Jan 25 2017, 08:16 PM Post #10
Posts: 1,536 Group: Donator Member #5,730 Joined: February 14, 2011	Emmeth Jan 25 2017, 08:08 PM DanielSan Jan 25 2017, 08:04 PM I think he is going to "get them to pay for it" by retracting all those trade deals, and by making high tariffs on them. Is that even legal? He can upset a lot of people if he does that. And I don't mean just the mexicans. I wouldn't recommend he do that, but I think Trump being Trump will do that.



Dingo	Jan 25 2017, 10:45 PM Post #11
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Political Piper	Jan 25 2017, 10:53 PM Post #12
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	He signed an EO to do it but he didn't have to. Congress passed a bill to build a wall/fence in 2006. As for its effectiveness, those who claim the wall will do absolutely nothing don't know what they're talking about. Will it stop all crime? No. Nothing will ever stop all crime. But what the wall does is it allows the border patrol agents more latitude and less to patrol. Many illegals come over by hopping on a truck, they won't be able to do that post-wall. Also, there's a slogan saying that they will just build ladders to get over the wall, etc etc.. But what they don't realize is that you can post towers in specific areas to better monitor. Hell, you could even add sensors to the wall. Either way, the wall will act as a deterrent and will help decrease crime statistics. Which sadly, are very high. 3k homicides and 8 thousand sexual assaults in Texas from 08-14. The GAO estimates that there are 9 kidnappings a day by illegals, 15 murders, 43 sex offenders, 71 burglaries, ad 131 assaults. My point of view is this, if even one life is saved from the wall being there; if even one girl is saved from being sexually assaulted from the wall being there, then the wall will be a success. I'm not for the wall if we have to pay for it. I think the American taxpayer will have to. The US Government does have different ways to get Mexico to pay for it, but I don't think it will happen. So in conclusion, the wall will slow down crime.. but it won't stop crime. If it is to be built, hopefully the tax payers don't get screwed and have to pay for it. I'm still upset over the US paying millions of dollars for Morocco pottery classes and decorations for foreign mosques...Complete waste of tax payer money
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* Yu Narukami	Jan 25 2017, 11:27 PM Post #13
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	I mean, Trump's screwed over tons of people when it comes to stiffing the bill, and why would he be concerned about being reimbursed? If he's that confident it'll work, he'll just end up saying ''we'll pay for it ourselves, the impact it would have will be worth it.'' Out of curiosity, do ya know how much maintenance would cost? As in, manning the wall and making sure it stays in good condition?



Political Piper	Jan 25 2017, 11:51 PM Post #14
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Nagito Komaeda Jan 25 2017, 11:27 PM I mean, Trump's screwed over tons of people when it comes to stiffing the bill, and why would he be concerned about being reimbursed? If he's that confident it'll work, he'll just end up saying ''we'll pay for it ourselves, the impact it would have will be worth it.'' Out of curiosity, do ya know how much maintenance would cost? As in, manning the wall and making sure it stays in good condition? NYT estimates 500 million a year., I'm not sure where they got that figure from. It's New York Times so the actual number is probably closer to 100-200 million. Which is why I don't think we should do the wall. It's just too much money. I was never a fan of the wall from the start. Either way, in terms of efficiency, if one life is saved from death or rape, I would still consider it a success. The question could be asked, how much money would you spend to save your wifes life, or husband, or child, mother father, etc etc? I don't think you can put a price on the preservation of your loved ones... But I still maintain we shouldn't do the wall unless we can properly pay for it.
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+ Steve	Jan 26 2017, 12:10 AM Post #15
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Wouldn't it be more efficient to just get satellites to monitor the area, slightly increase security and then make getting in to the country legally a bit easier so there's less incentive to go illegally? Satellites are most likely fairly expensive but it'd probably be a lot faster and easier to do than a massive wall. I just can't help but laugh at how silly it sounds. It's just going to make people angry and people who are actually willing to get over the wall are probably going to be the more volatile sort, to go to that kind of length to get in to the country and to probably come with great hatred is pretty alarming. But yes, I'm sure Mexico is the cause of all America's problems.
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